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Pivot City! How we pivoted 6 times

Blackthorn's CEO on dropping unclear products, buying instead of building, defining an ICP and selling a clear customer benefit

Chris Federspiel · Blackthorn

Published March 15, 2023
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The speaker describes how Blackthorn reached focus through repeated pivots: abandoning unclear products, buying where integration made more sense than building, reinforcing culture, defining an ICP, and selling a clear customer benefit.

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Drop unclear products

“we looked at all the leads that were coming in and we saw most of them were from higher ed and non-profit at the time we had no go to market and I thought go to market was like this baloney term but it's a real thing for sales and marketing teams to really focus on so what we did was that we flipped it over and we ended up focusing on higher ed and non-profit so with Salesforce I asked hey you know what are your metrics on higher ed and nonprofit you can see some of them are quite small but a lot of them are quite big so we”

Buy instead of build

“because there's a lot of things that I hate doing in the business I really don't like selling and marketing and accounting and uh Cs and I I don't really like doing any of these things so I I really like doing product and Engineering so what I did is I changed our org around and I have just two people that report to me which is going to be a third once we find our CTO so if you know someone we're hiring but it's just going to be our CEO our director of product and our CTO and the reason I wanted to do this is because I don't”

Strengthen the culture

“wanted to integrate us to say hey we're on Salesforce but they weren't going to bring us anything so we didn't do them a lot of events applications they they have there's so many things you can do with events they all want to integrate none of them wanted to bring us business so we ended up not doing any of those and then a lot of people they all want to have contracts and conversations and Technical Integrations and it never became anything so the original thesis was to make a payment app on the Salesforce app exchange that could integrate with stripe at the time no one integrated with stripe now just everybody knows stripe but we said hey”

Define the ideal customer

“whatsoever then you know that you found your price and that's sort of what we did um what we what just to give you some examples our payments app is now two and a half times more expensive but the biggest customer we had for the longest time was 100K a year we recently sold one that's a million a year for a really really big deployment doing uh mobile payments uh our Events app is now four times more expensive but our average error was about 12K for the longest time uh it's now up around 45k because we”

Sell the customer benefit

“Porter sells off did some LinkedIn post about having a line that was making six to seven million ARR a year and that's that's like a lot of people's businesses I was our business for a long time and he just killed it saying I wanted to focus on this other thing I was doing really really well so we've killed a whole bunch of stuff that was at 80k 100K 150k ARR to focus on where stuff really mattered and now it's really working uh you have to try stuff I never would have bought the um taxi company if I hadn't bought pci-fi because it was”

Focus and product-market fit

“Your TAM is not everyone Don’t be afraid to let go Multi-Product too soon Product-Market Fit I’m going to show you FINDING FOCUS KILL FOCUS”

Products Blackthorn stopped pursuing

“2017, Hotel Lobby What Competition Killed Too big an app to build at the time (pre-acquisition) Simple eCommerce on Salesforce Far too much work, would need to be our company’s only focus Killed Accounting, native to Salesforce Airtable and Notion do some of this, would need to be company’s focus, solving a problem people didn’t have Partial-merged Declarative Portal Merged Form builder Here’s what we didoverfour years Merged into our Payments app for web-based invoice payments”

Textey deal terms

“Deal Terms $3.25M, a 6x multiple on $550K ARR $1.2M Down payment $2M over 24 months, paid quarterly Funded via debt, no dilution High Level Reasons Surveyed customers wanted SMS Buy instead of build, no integration work I reached out to Clint The revenue helped NRR Why I bought Textey”

Pricing and value

“Pricing Don’t be afraid to raise your prices Payments: 2.5x more expensive. Events: 4x more expensive. We’ve had 930 prices in three years. Founders undervalue their products. “It only took me four months to make.” Fear of losing a deal, so I discounted. Keep raising prices. Video Here. Madhavan Ramanujam. Madhavan Ramanujam”

Key pivot takeaways

“Key Takeaways A decision is better than no decision. Kill weak product lines. Try stuff! Buy a company, hike pricing, try at least one partnership to learn Listen to your customers Sell the journey”

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About the speaker
Chris Federspiel

Chris Federspiel

CEO · Blackthorn

Chris Federspiel is the CEO and Co-founder of Blackthorn. He is a graduate of the George Washington University. He loves cycling and lives to make things easier, including, as he says, “I get annoyed by squeaky doors that need WD-40.” He has a simple philosophy regarding what he does — “If we can build something that’s remarkably easier to use, while delivering far more value to customers, that’s a great thing. We’ll love it, customers will love it, and we’ll all benefit.”

Company revenue
$16M
Team size
88

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Pivot City and Blackthorn growth

  1. SaaSOpen, March 2023 Pivot City! How we pivoted 6 times on our way to $20m in revenue Chris Federspiel CEO of Blackthorn.io Credit: Wifey

  2. Our Revenue Growth $0 - $14,000,000+ 7.5 years 105 staff $14M ARR $18M Debt Facility No Board No VC Break-even end ‘23

The pivot themes

  1. Play with packaging Over the next 20 minutes I’m going to show you PMF TAM: Find focus Multi-Product, too soon GOING WIDER Why I bought PCIFY and Textey Customers will tell you what to build GROWING ACV Increase prices Tell a story, weave it together Kill what doesn't work Not all partnerships bear fruit

Finding focus

  1. Your TAM is not everyone Don’t be afraid to let go Multi-Product too soon Product-Market Fit I’m going to show you FINDING FOCUS KILL FOCUS

  2. TAM FOCUS: Higher Education

  3. TAM FOCUS: Non-profits

  4. 2017, Hotel Lobby What Competition Killed Too big an app to build at the time (pre-acquisition) Simple eCommerce on Salesforce Far too much work, would need to be our company’s only focus Killed Accounting, native to Salesforce Airtable and Notion do some of this, would need to be company’s focus, solving a problem people didn’t have Partial-merged Declarative Portal Merged Form builder Here’s what we didoverfour years Merged into our Payments app for web-based invoice payments

  5. Revenue Composition

  6. Org Chart

  7. Org Chart

Growing IP and buying products

  1. Why I bought PCIFY and Textey Be weary of partnerships Customers will tell you what to build Double Down on PMF I’m going to show you GROW IP FOCUS LISTEN

  2. Why I bought PCIFY PCIFY I knew the owner PCI checks complimented our Payments app Instead of partnering More product to sell We did a 2.5 year payment term

  3. Deal Terms $3.25M, a 6x multiple on $550K ARR $1.2M Down payment $2M over 24 months, paid quarterly Funded via debt, no dilution High Level Reasons Surveyed customers wanted SMS Buy instead of build, no integration work I reached out to Clint The revenue helped NRR Why I bought Textey

Partnership lessons

  1. We tried many Payments: Integrated to two apps Payments: Many payment gateways reached out. Events: Many discussions with vendors to integrate. Revenue shares with un-tried sources: Too many contracts, conversations, and technical integrations. Be weary of Partnerships Only two worked We focused on two areas. Payments: Our Stripe partnership System Integrators: The bulk of our leads come from SI partners.

  2. Stripe Climate 1% of revenue $120,000+ donated to date The world benefits Their first customer! Partnerships of personal interest & company culture

  3. Watsi.org $3,000 per month Funds surgeries in developing countries Everyone can relate Partnerships of personal interest & company culture

  4. Customers Will Tell you What to BuildHow do we do it?

Growing ACV

  1. Don't be afraid to increase prices Bundle products lending to your thesis Tell a story, weave it together Tell The Story I’m going to show you VALUE ICP SELL THE VISION

  2. Pricing Don’t be afraid to raise your prices Payments: 2.5x more expensive. Events: 4x more expensive. We’ve had 930 prices in three years. Founders undervalue their products. “It only took me four months to make.” Fear of losing a deal, so I discounted. Keep raising prices. Video Here. Madhavan Ramanujam. Madhavan Ramanujam

  3. Bundle products lending to your thesis Play with packaging Identify the ICP Payments, PayLink, and DocumentLink were three products. Hard to explain and sell. Target verticals: Higher Ed and Nonprofit, so we changed our story. Events + Payments, Events + Messaging, etc.

  4. Tell a StorySell a Journey

Key takeaways

  1. Key Takeaways A decision is better than no decision. Kill weak product lines. Try stuff! Buy a company, hike pricing, try at least one partnership to learn Listen to your customers Sell the journey

  2. Over the last 20 minutes I showed you Finding focus Multi-Product Too Soon Kill what doesn't work Why I bought PCIFY and Textey Be weary of technical partnerships Customers Will Tell You What To Build GOING UPMARKET: GROWING ACV Increase prices Bundle products Tell a story, weave it together GOING WIDER WITH FOCUS KNOW THYSELF: FROM 2 TO 9 & BACK TO 2 APPS

  3. SaaSOpen, March 2023 Thank you! [redacted email] Chris Federspiel CEO of Blackthorn.io